Simply Mepis 6.0 - Simply a solid option for a Linux Distro that works

Print the article

This entry was posted on 8/17/2006 2:43 PM and is filed under Distros.

SimplyMepis 6.0 has been around for a bit now, but in my effort to review the most popular and easiest distros marketed today, there simply is no way to skip over this product. Mepis itself is not too new, having been around in one form or another for a couple of years. Recently, Warren Woodford moved his product to be based on Ubuntu which is a really strong distro and extremely popular. Warren's story is similar to that of many people who create their own distros; he just wanted one that worked the way he wanted it too. I myself gave the distro a run in its beta stages and was very impressed with the extras that Mepis added to an already great package. For clarity sake, it would technically be closer to Kubuntu, but that is neither here nor there as switching from Ubuntu to K is as simple as one right click and apply.

Having already been there once, my goal was to check out what it would be like to run the install as a newbie and focus on getting my eMachines up and running, rather on checking on the performance which has been well documented for Mepis and Ubuntu alike. Lets check it out, shall we???


Download Here
Kernel - Kernel 2.6.15-26 Based on Ubuntu
Desktop - KDE 3.5.3
FAQs -
Cost - FREE!!!
Special Features - Live installer, nice add ons and decent packages in small install

Nitty Gritty:
Installation ( )

When you first run the Live CD, there are the basic options for running in Normal, Vesa, Minimum, and Small, which is a great idea for people with older machines or no clue on what level of video support they might have.

Once the Live CD boots up, you find yourself in a nice looking desktop full of great features and wonderful little add ons. My favorite is the Kaquarium in the toolbar along with the sysmonitor. Both of these allow you to see how you machine is functioning while using the Live version and stick around after install. The weather function is alright, but set up for Mepis home base in West Virginia. Myself being in the Pacific NW really could care less, but I like the drop for the Mountaineers.

I clicked on the Mepis Help icon and was directed via the internet to the start page at, which unless you know where to go there, really doesn't help. Please don't get me wrong, I find that once you look around the web site you find that there is a vast amount of excellent HowTos and links to places such as, which is just plain awesome at pulling together one of the best communities outside of Ubuntu, which also works since the distro is based on it.
My main concern about this link is back to previous reviews in how I don't like people needing to be on the internet in order to get install help. This assumes too much, especially for newbies who will likely have no clue on setting up network cards if the Live disk has a problem.

However my worries were quickly squashed when I clicked on the icon for Documents. Inside this folder are two great resources.: A quick start guide and a Tips sheet. I would like to see the icon a bit more directive than just documents, but the fact that it is there wins my trust back in Mepis for caring about those about to plunge into installing their distro.

Once I got done playing around with the wireless to see how well it wasn't working (I hate the bcm43xx module being plugged into the kernel) I decided to give this a go. I wasn't able to install on my VMWare machine, so I decided I would replace my secondary Linux to give this a thorough hardware shakedown, as one of its review told me how this handled all hardware period. (not quite, but they did say it was on steroids). I know most test these on desktops, so my trying on a laptop usually tests these claims to the 10th degree.

Double clicking on the Mepis Install icon prompted me for a password that I just didn't know. But looking in the getting started page promptly informed me that they defaulted this to 'root' (my favorite so far has been 'toor' or root backwards) and got into the install process. This very clean and informative window directed me to press next. I didn't like that I had no clue where I was headed, nor an idea of where I had been, but so far only Xandros has succeeded well in that for me.

The next step prompted me to determine where I was intending on installing this distro and also provided me QTParted which would allow me to set up any new or modify old partitions. I like that this is organized with multiple steps associated with each other together rather than in serial. I always feel more in control when things are grouped like this. Knowing I was replacing a partition on my /dev/hda3 partitions I chose Custom.

Note the screen shot below was on my failed attempt to install within VMWare, but for some reason it wasn't able to read the sda drive. But once I chose the proper distro, the installer copied over the necessary files and then prompted me for the boot loader.

The boot loader option basically only offered up grub, but I am fine with that. I am not much of a Lilo fan myself. One thing I do like is that in the information bar on the left, it goes ahead and instructs you how Mepis will not find other distros on your machine and that you will need to modify the menu.lst file if you wish to add these. Most just don't even bother letting you know that they cannot handle this, so I am happy that Mepis knew to at least let people know upfront.

I was next directed to a window offering up some common services that I might be interested in, with a couple already checked. I again like that the install allows me some customization on items that really only affect me and that no decisions non-critical were made by someone else. I let these stick in and didn't select the bluetooth as I don't have any adapter for that installed.

I was next prompted for the PC and network names that would be needed for Linux as well as MSFilesystem (Samba) worgroup. I know most people just leave this to workgroup, but I like to advertise whenever possible.

Still diggin those fish, they are fun to watch swim around, but I digress...

The next screen allows me to choose my locale for keyboard function, time zone and an excellent blurb again, this time letting me know that there are proprietary video drivers on the other side of my install. This keeps me going even though this process has not been too long or painful.

My next step was user and admin name/passwords. I like how they are both on the same screen, allow people to know that they have a user account and then the admin password being right there, instead of seperating them out on two screens. We all know that 99% of us are the only users, so this makes so much more sense to me than breaking them up.

Once I pass up the screen on passwords, I am finally rewarded with the knowledge I am done. It is nice to keep things so informative during this entire process and I really enjoy the split window. It allows for a tight control window for the user experience on the right, while passing along vital information on the left such as what I might need to do when I get into the real OS and off the Live CD to really enjoy this package.

Overall I would have to rate this as a really solid install that does the job very well, with only a couple of minor issues with password knowledge being a bit hidden and only allowing Grub is a decent assumption but there are the Lilo fans are out there and might be a bit upset at not having that option. Linux should be just that, flexibility and ease, but I do understand keeping things easy and sometimes while doing so one takes away the flexibility. A good process here, and I wouldn't think many would run into issue with the excellent dialog and built in start up guide.

Now that we have installed our distro, it is time to reboot and see if there are any steroids to this distro or are we dealing with some fluff with no function...onward we go.

Starting ( )

Being a Ubuntu package and having run Mepis before I was pretty knowledgable about what was about to happen, and this time I was not let down. Several things were broken when I go to the start page, which still had my fish thank god.

First, my wireless was not working, even though the light was on. It seems that the kernel with the BCM43xx module compiled runs the hardware and it will respond to an 'iwlist' command, but for some unknown reason just won't lock on when you try to get an IP address with 'dhclient'. So there are a couple of steps to remedy this for us laptop people with Broadcom (which is by far the most common PCI card out there it seems. Here are the steps

  • Blacklist bcm43xx in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file
  • rmmod bcm43xx
  • ndiswrapper -l to see what cards are already installed
  • for me 'ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5' to remove the existing driver
  • copy the drivers from my windows partition (can be googled pretty easily if you don't have them)
  • from the directory with the windows drivers 'ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf'
  • 'depmod -a'
  • 'modprobe ndiswrapper'
  • 'ndiswrapper -m'
  • reboot (don't know why, but it is required)
and my wireless came to life.

For my video woes, which seems to happen all too often, all I had to do was search mepislovers and found that to add ATI card support all I had to do was use synaptic and install the package 'xorg-driver-fglrx' and restart the KDE with a ctrl-alt-backspace. Very nice there.

My sound didn't work, so I went to the old standby which is to click on the mixer client and de-select the External Amplifier option. Tada!!!!

And I was cooking with gas in about 10 minutes. Not too bad I might say, but definitely not a distro on steroids. Yes, it is pretty rock solid, but to be honest any based on Ubuntu will have that capability.

The control panel is pretty generic, nothing special but all the key packages.

Now that my internet works I am able to use the Mepis Help link on the desktop.

So at the end of the day, with very little extra effort I have a decent looking distro with rock solid support running on my laptop with wireless, video and sound functioning. Media supports audio codecs, but a download of libdvdcss is required for the video. Not bad, but really when one would compare this to other like packages, I really don't see much seperating this from Kubuntu.

Bonus Stuff ( )

One new addition to the Mepis lineup is the advent of Extras CDs which are designed for those people who can download ISO's but have slow internet access, or as they state "for users who can't rely on having a continuous fast Internet connection". For me, if you got the ability to download a 600 meg plus ISO images, downloading smaller packages should be easier, but hey, they are a nice added benefity. They would make the most sense being part of a package that is sold in solid form rather than a download to me, so I am sure that is the true intention. I give them credit for keeping those in mind who still rely on dial-up and make these available in the first place. 4 Pennies for your effort all, great job!!!!

Overall ( )

Overall I will have to put this pretty clear, as I know there are a ton of Mepis lovers out there who are probably ready to bash my lack of Pennies, however there is a reason: Mepis is rock solid, works well, and offers a true desktop Linux, BUT really is not that unique. To me, this is like someone who like a Mercury over a Ford. The chasis is the same, only the packaging is different. For Mepis, this is true with Kubuntu. I am a big fan of Kubuntu and equally a big fan of Mepis. They both offer what anyone would want and that is a distro that works and works well.

Is there anything in here that stands out as unique beyond the fact that it works so well? Not really. Yes, you can take this extremely stable package and work within the community to add nice things like XGL, but it would be nice to also have that as a base feature. XGL is something that really will keep Linux on par with Apple and Vista, and should be more common. I know there are a ton of hardware issues, but with about 4 really solid packages available today with this running, then I would hope that would be the next step with distros like Mepis. I will be back for the 64 bit when available however, as I am still waiting on a distro that will uncork my boat anchor.

Thanks for reading, hope you enjoyed my opinions. Good luck with your personal Linux quests and I just hope I have shed some light on this package for you. Cheers!!!!


What did you think of this blog article?

Trackback specific URL for this entry
  • No trackbacks exist for this entry.

    Display comments as (Linear | Threaded)

    • 8/18/2006 12:45 PM Anonymous wrote:
      I think a distro that can tackle wireless for newbies will help make Linux much more accepted platform. Someone needs to work on this!

      One thing I don't like about Kubuntu is that you can't select the packages. Can you do this with Mepis?
      Reply to this
    • 8/19/2006 12:40 AM John Biles wrote:
      Hello Everyone,
      I am a big fan of Mepis 3.4 and when I heard that Mepis 6.0 was coming I started trying the Beta's and found that my dial-up internet no longer worked properly and would drop out at the last moment.
      I hoped this would be fixed in the final version of Mepis 6.0 but wasn't.
      On the Mepis forum's I have read that others are having the same problem.
      My modem is a LT internal Modem.

      What I learned from this is that just because it's the latest version of a distro, doesn't mean it's better than the last version. I love my Mepis 3.4 and have updated it from Debian Etch with Synaptic to KDE 3.5.3 like Mepis 6.0
      All I can say is Mepis is a very nice Linux for a Newbie having tried at least 30 different distro's including Mandriva, SuSe, Debian, Gentoo, Linspire, Xandros, Ubuntu, Damn Small, Puppy etc etc.
      With Mepis 3.4 all my hardware works!!
      this isn't the case with other distro's!
      Reply to this
      1. 8/19/2006 7:10 PM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        I agree with your comments. Sometimes moving forward leaves pieces and features behind. One common theme to this seems always to be dial up. PPP is something no one really wants to work on. Why? It just isn't sexy. No one wants to work it, when they can be working GigE, or wireless instead.

        It is like Ubuntu moving my wireless card to an internal module using fwcutter instead of NDISWRAPPER. It is nice in that it is in the kernel (kind of), but the problem is that it only supports 802.11B and G. This means I bog down in my network at home, where I have 5 laptops, 2 desktops and WiFi in my handsets (HTC units from T-Mobile). B just doesn't cut it anymore.

        I wish I could do more testing on dial up for people, but I don't have any home phone that is a POTS line. Being in the wireless industry I have cut the cord completely.

        WinModems are just a pain for Linux, being that they are a shared component with drivers really tied to the processor. Life would be better with a stand alone modem, but most PC makers try to save a buck and put in the cheaper hardware since most people are getting away from dial up anyway.

        Sorry about your issues. I would suggest trying Freespire/Linspire and seeing if it works from the Live Disk.

        Thanks for your comments and best wishes


        Reply to this
    • 8/19/2006 6:44 AM David Dibble wrote:
      My install of SimplyMEPIS ended at the point where it asks "okay to format the partition?" Whether I clicked yes or no, it responded "Partition not properly prepared, going back to step 1." I had already partitioned and formatted with Gparted. I installed another Linux distro to this partition with nary a negative word.

      I tried on a separate machine to install SimplyMEPIS, with the same results. It insists partition not properly prepared.

      Now my major complaint is with the MEPIS forum. When I asked for help my posting got two comments to the effect "That's the way it goes sometimes." This is not helpful. On the third day I checked and my posting had been removed! On a search, I found it in an archive marked "solved." Someone had replied that I must have improperly assigned a boot flag to the partition, whereupon my posting was immediately trashed.

      This I don't understand. I started Gparted, which shows the boot flag, and of course there was no boot flag on this partition (only on the C: drive). But no one waited for a response from me, instead my posting was immediately removed. Apparently nothing that might be deemed negative is allowed in the forums. I know of no other site that does this. And it implies, at least to me, that there must be many, many other such postings that I never saw because they were also trashed.

      Every technical support person does this in the retail stores when one requests help: "Hey, it's all your fault!" I have just had an incredibly bad experience with e-machines. If I want to be treated like a sucker and a chump I can always go to the Windows XP world.

      Anyway, I read your review of Freespire. This sounds like it offers everything I should expect from SimplyMEPIS, so I have downloaded and burned a CD and will install it in the next hour. Also I really love PCLinuxOS 0.92, so was delighted at the wonderful review of 0.93a, which I will be getting (the Junior version).

      The other distro I really like is Puppy. I do a frugal install, copy out vmlinuz, initrd.gz to /boot and the pup_201.sfs to the hard drive partition and boot from grub, and the whole thing can be installed in several minutes and is blazingly fast.

      title Puppy
      root (hd0,9)
      kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0
      initrd (hd0,9)/boot/initrd.gz

      So again, thanks for the detailed review of Freespire. Keep up the good work.
      Reply to this
    • 8/20/2006 12:30 PM carl wrote:
      Hi there,
      I've been a Mepis user for over 2 years, and understand that reviews focus on different things. I'm very happy with my Mepis, and wish others are happy with their distro of choice.

      I just feel like dropping a line in response to David Dibble's disappointing experience in the Mepislovers forum. I can honestly say that the Mepislovers forum is VERY newbie friendly, and welcomes every new member!! This is no way way a 'tight community' that thinks it is 'beneath them' to help newcomers out. I'm sorry that it went wrong in this case, and would invite David to ask his question again. My bet is the other post being trashed has been an unfortunate mishap. Mepis is just a fine distro with a nice community, and maybe it can convince you once you get it installed...

      Reply to this
    • 8/21/2006 4:50 PM Carlos wrote:
      Of all linux distros that I tried, two are my favorites, Mepis linux and PclinuxOS though my main OS is PClinuxOS as I find it 100% compatible with my Laptops and Desktops with complete array of applications except of course for heavy games which is the reason why I'm still using windows.

      Both are extremely user friendly. I have yet to use the terminal console with PClinuxOS.

      I havent tried the Freespire yet but I will download it soon.
      Reply to this
      1. 8/21/2006 8:53 PM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        Thanks for the feedback. I also link both of these distros, with PCLinuxOS being the main one I am using right now running my VMWare to test other distros and take my screenshots.

        Give Freespire a shot. It isn't the crappy Winux distro I have heard a lot of people make it out to be. It is now setup with apt-get and you can simply run 'apt-get install synaptic' and then you don't have to worry about CNR purchases. This keeps you up to date and allows you to add from an extremely vast repository without paying for the CNR front end.

        Thanks for the feedback and best wishes



        Reply to this
    • 8/22/2006 12:37 AM Carlos wrote:
      That's a good news, we have three excellent Linux Distros to choose from not mentioning Kanotix which is also a very good linux distro. So, if one will give you a problem, one of the other two or three might be just what you need to get your machine run flawlessly. This will give us lesser headache indeed.
      Reply to this
      1. 8/22/2006 7:31 AM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        I agree Carlos, there definitely is no lack of distros to choose from. Distrowatch only tracks 100 but there are literally thousands out there just starting up and will become the next Ubuntu. My only issue with that is like baseball in the US. Once you have so many teams, there is only so much talent to go around. If the community could decide on one package of the major types and get all the best developers to focus on say about 50 really hot ones, then Linux might have a chance to make serious impact on MS market share. The Commercial companies have some really good people, but then they are always having to lay off people as their sales don't meet estimates. Then they have to lean more on open communities and draw back some of the FSF people who hated that they went commercial.

        Hopefully we can continue to contribute a little bit and provide some light to the dark shadows of Linux for the newbies who are excited at the chance to take back their PCs from corporate greed and learn what computing and this wonderful world of open knowledge can do for the world, if not for us at least for our children.

        Cheers and best wishes


        Reply to this
    • 8/22/2006 5:59 PM Carlos wrote:
      I'm sorry about the Ubuntu I have read very encouraging posts about their distros. Our experience however with Ubuntu or Kubuntu last year is dismall, I'm very sorry if i have to use that term. We have to download updates and use the terminal console a lot to get things going, and you wouldnt like that experience if you are used to MS Windows.

      But it is different with Mepis and PClinuxOS we generally update just to get some more games to play, they give outstanding performance out of the box (or installer CD).

      Well, our own experience only, it might be a very isolated case. And with the Mepis wiring itself to the Ubuntu System I think there must be real big improvements going on. I have to download it soon to see it myself.
      Reply to this
    • 8/31/2006 12:37 PM WP wrote:
      First impressions of Mepis are very favourable. Visuals, sound, ethernet and most of the hardware -- all spotted right way, so I have internet access with broadband. Refreshing change from experiences with several famous distributions! Let's see if it will successfully make room for itself on my hd when I ask it to install itself.... Can it cope with co-existence with the Windows ntfs and the sprawl of XP....
      Reply to this
      1. 8/31/2006 5:50 PM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        I haven't heard of any issue with its partitioning tool screwing up too much. You will see windows freak out when you boot up the next time saying the drive has changed.

        Good luck and best wishes.


        Reply to this
    • 9/2/2006 6:05 PM artson wrote:
      I think that if Mepis is not going to support dial-up internet access, it should say so up front. Just say "sorry, we can't be bothered to spend time on dial-up problems."

      Of course, that rules about fifty percent of potential users off the track.
      Reply to this
      1. 9/5/2006 10:44 AM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        Well, I think there is a big difference of stating that they don't support it, or that the hardware detection agent finds it. I am sure there is some support of modems, but winmodems are just that; windows modems. They use swap memory from the PC instead of having on board memory, which makes them extremely hard to manage from a linux system. If you wish to have a modem, I would suggest getting a lindows compatible, but they are harder and harder to find. There is usually a Linux logo somewhere on the box.

        Good luck.


        Reply to this
    • 9/27/2006 9:48 AM neighborlee wrote:
      from your review I"d say its just a ubuntu ripoff. I am sure it has its followers but I aint one of em at least in part to this one guys BAD experience in the forums, I mean thats really terrible the poor guy. I also dont like the control panel mepis uses . Freespire is going to be king and it should be , as out of the box it supports more browswer plugins than any distro period, and now with CNR free , I see NO REASON that linux users should not agree to use 'one distro' . As the reviewer noted we waste 'resources' with 500 or so distros and only serves to make M$ market shares increase. We should all unite with freespire to give linux a whack at those same marketshares. I also think its high time we unite on one DE too, which if it means KDE ( atm I prefer gnome but only cause of its license ie: gtk is less restrictive than qt ) , im willing to concede that and move on from gnome TO kde.We need to focus our resources on one distro and one DE, that way we get a good mix of developers working on ONE thing and doing it WELL, and testers giving excellent feedback making the underlying product that much better. Then you can BET on good software/hardware support from vendors...I dont know about you but to me that is more important than needing my daily fix of 'distroduck' ;-).

      Reply to this
      1. 9/27/2006 10:28 AM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        Thanks neighborlee for the commentary. I don't know how well the world will fall in line with Freespire/Linspire being the only distro out there. Yes it is a good one, in fact I have been a Linspire Insider and Consultant for about three/four years now. However, the package itself is pretty average. KDE is behind by about a year, the DVD player is $50 for anyone but Gold members and they really don't support 64 bit, but it is on their roadmap. Mepis is Kubuntu with more proprietary packages designed to be more functional out of the box. Yes, many have had problems with their community support, or lack thereof. But I wouldn't put it out to pasture quite yet.

        I think the real goal would be to get people like Redhat, Mandriva, Xandros and Novell to stop working isolated would be my first goal. I work in Wireless and the expanse of the 90's almost killed us. Now that we are back to 5 majors and 5 minor companies, people can get back to being profitable. In Linux, I would think one or two commercial projects and 5-10 community ones would be enough. Too much talent is wasted on these one offs where they could be putting their knowledge together with others to make one another learn and make a really hot product. But unfortunately money rules even open source, so we will be stuck with distroduck for many years to come.

        thanks for the comments and best wishes



        Reply to this
    • 9/29/2006 11:08 AM Charles wrote:
      This version of Mepis is wonderful, intalling easily, and doing everything well with no fussiness. This and the Big Daddy PCLinux are wonderful networkers and multimedia players. This version of Mepis is great, I do declare!
      Reply to this
    • 10/10/2006 3:42 AM Lee wrote:
      I currently use Puppy 2.02 on my win98 laptop, works, period. Very good on old laps, I have used ms from the dos days, and grew weary of all the ripoffs for multiple machines so I plunged into Linux not knowing anything, i tried Ubuntu, and never tried to install, just used the live cd, but could not get my wireless working, read a review about mepis 6.0 and tried the live cd, worked very well, so i took the plunge and installed it on my new laptop a dell inspiron 700m, had a heck of a time trying to circumvent dell's propietery boot system, finally used partition magic and deleted the dell junk and repartitioned. Not knowing any better, i installed grub on the mbr, and nothing would boot!!! Uninstalled mepis, moved grub to the linux partition and used partition magic, reinstalled mepis.Kept my wix xp, as I have some apps I have not figured out if Linux will take care of. I have been using Mepis 6.0 about a month now and am slowly learning, I am impressed with this distro, got wireless working without WPA, and finally figured out how to get WPA working, i do agree with an earlier post that better documentation and including wireless that worked without all the google-ing would attract a larger audience. I am posting this from my hotel using their free wireless, I am hoping to be windoze free soon. Kudos to all the people who have made this possible. I am going to contribute to Mepis as I intend to use it and want to support a fine product.
      Reply to this
      1. 10/10/2006 4:00 PM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        Thanks Lee for the comments. I would suggest that if you just can't get rid of the old MS stuff and you have some legacy items, you may want to look into VMWare Server instead of dual booting. Most of the newer Linux partition tools will resize your windows partition, you then just need to run a checkdisk in Windows the next time you boot, similar to what you need to do with Partition Magic.

        WPA is a pain, but for those people who want security it is a must. If you install PCLinuxOS or Mandriva (basically the same thing, just different package) they have good tools included to use wireless, both using fwcutter or using ndiswrapper. They also include WPA supp for those who wish it. Freespire has many embedded wireless cards with ndiswrapper pre-configured.

        Good luck and best wishes


        Reply to this
    • 12/12/2006 4:05 PM Fred McKinney wrote:
      The author mentioned that there's no difference between Kubuntu and Mepis. I, however, have found a difference. Being a musician, I found that anytime I tried to run Rosegarden (MIDI sequencer and music notation software) in Kubuntu, it would cause Kubuntu as well as my previous distro, Mandrake, to crash.

      But in Mepis, Rosegarden runs like a charm and I haven't had a single problem with it under Mepis whatsoever. To me, Mepis truly makes the Linux experience an absolute pleasure that I recommend wholeheartedly to anyone and everyone who's had it up to here with WinDOH!s.
      Reply to this
      1. 12/12/2006 5:02 PM KnoLinuxGuy wrote:
        Thanks for the comment Fred,

        A specific application such as Rosegarden goes beyond most user's experiences, and I am talking in very general terms and not absolute ones. This also is really geared towards a newbie looking to Linux and not someone who is looking for a specific application such as yours.

        I agree that Mepis really does KDE better than Kubuntu, but in reality it is very small changes like what you have seen, the ease of setting up some specific drivers such as graphics, and a select small few other items that sets it apart. But hey, I like GNOME over KDE, so realistically I am not happy with either of them

        Thanks again for your comments



        Reply to this
    Leave a comment

    Submitted comments will be subject to moderation before being displayed.

     Enter the above security code (required)


     Email (will not be published)


    Your comment is 0 characters limited to 3000 characters.